Trudeau Handicap Hotlaps

[Jane Fossett]

I'm tracking the Handicap Hotlaps results here, and I'll try to post the current list every day or so in this box.
For reference, here's JT's comment from ten months ago:

... The Defender II and Trucordia should be very evenly matched provided all sails are flying on both. That is probably evident from the racing done so far.
If those boats rate as a 1.0, the other boats in the Trudeau line are scripted to perform at these baselines:

Bluewater - .8
Tahiti Ketch - .75
Trudeau 32 - .7
Sea Sharp - .65 ...

On the attached spreadsheet most abbreviations are self-explanatory. A few may not be:
SS= Trudeau Sea Sharp
T12b= Tetra35 v1.2 beta
32= Trudeau 32

[Jane Fossett]

BOAT: Yawl Heavy
Summarising my results I get:
ACA32 Average 05:46.5 = 346.5 secs Relative 0.82 weight = 1.22
Larinda Average 06:39 = 399 secs Relative 0.94 weight =1.06
Yawl Average 07:01.5 = 421.5 Relative 1.0 weight = 1.0
Which suggests that my ACA32 and Larinda times were poor - I should have 05:17 and 05:52 respectively based on Jane's calculations so far)

Grin.
Actually, as the chart shows, the real problem is your Yawl times are too good! I think we just need more data to get a normal distribution of scores. Once we have enough data, it might be interesting to compare the relative weights of the boats for each skipper. My guess is that approach would have much less variability. We'll see!

BOAT: Defender Heavy
Can't get the jib to Tack via a chat command though. ...
...the Defender [is] slightly slower than the Yawl for me.

"/1 gybe" should flip all the sails... (but don't get me started complaining about 'SL gesture failures').
The Defender is a bit slower for me as well, but for a practical reason: The Defender has a huge main boom compaired to the yawl. When you get close to a mark, an obstruction, or another boat, you need to adjust the Defender's course or change the timing of your gybe to avoid a collision. This is true in the Yawl also, but to a smaller degree...
(in my humble opinion, anyway!)

[Yuukie Onmura]

I decrypted all the acronyms, except one, what's the SS?


and where's the tetra35 with its (estimated) relative weight of 0.15? XD

[Oliphant Ming]

SS Is the Sea Sharp, Trudeau's lil dinghy type boat. : )

[Jane Fossett]

Just out of curiosity, I went back and looked at a few week's Big-Boat Race results
to see how the lap times compared to the hotlaps.
Of course, for many reasons it's not a good comparison.
One obvious reason is that the wind for Big-Boat fleet racing has built-in variation.
However, it looks like the variation is relatively small and evens out over the race,
since the results look pretty similar.

For example: Nearly every week Berjo Saiman races his "full" Trucordia Yawl on Sunday nights.
I looked at his last seven 'typical' laps when racing NYC B-1A.
Berjo's average net lap time was 7:58 (SD= 0:14).
That seems quite close to the zero variance hot laps scores for the Yawl posted in this thread.

I also looked at eight typical Larinda Schooner (Lite) Big-Boat lap times (from four different skippers).
The average net lap time was 7:08 (SD= 0:19).
Again, that's in pretty good agreement with the individual hot lap scores listed here.

[Oliphant Ming]

Skipper: Oliphant Ming
Boat: JacqCat

3:34] You: +results
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Cory Copeland - +00:05:16
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): 2: Oliphant Ming - +00:09:42
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 0: +00:00:00
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 0: +00:00:34
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 1: +00:05:16
[23:34] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 1: +00:09:42
[23:35] SLSF Race Wind Setter (predefs) shouts: dir: 5, spd: 11.000000, dir+-: 15, spd+-: 0.000000, rate: 1.000000

Sailed the lap in 9:08, winds steady at 11, +-15 degree shifts

Cory was working his normal magic in a Tako : )

[RnSdriver Lane]

Skipper RnSdriver Lane
Boat Larinda Lite

Wind steady 11 m/s

[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Cory Copeland - +00:05:21
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): 2: RnSdriver Lane - +00:06:49
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): 3: Rabog Rabeni - +00:07:25
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 0: +00:00:01
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:09
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Rabog Rabeni-- lap 0: +00:00:10
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 1: +00:05:21
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:06:49
[22:35] Start Line (2 Way): Rabog Rabeni-- lap 1: +00:07:25

RnS Lap time 06:40

[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Cory Copeland - +00:05:26
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): 2: RnSdriver Lane - +00:06:34
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): 3: Rabog Rabeni - +00:07:26
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 0: +00:00:00
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:02
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Rabog Rabeni-- lap 0: +00:00:05
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Cory Copeland-- lap 1: +00:05:26
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:06:34
[22:47] Start Line (2 Way): Rabog Rabeni-- lap 1: +00:07:26

RnS Lap time 06:32

Skipper Me still

Boat Defender II (full) The Cat's Meow

[7:43] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[7:43] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:08:05
[7:43] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[7:43] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:16
[7:43] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:08:05

total Laps time 07:49

[7:58] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:07:50
[7:58] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[7:58] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:05
[7:58] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:07:50

total lap time 07:45

Boat ACA 32

[8:22] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[8:22] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:06:15
[8:22] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[8:22] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:16
[8:22] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:06:15

Total lap time 05:59

[8:39] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:06:06
[8:39] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[8:39] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:14
[8:39] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:06:06

Total lap time 05:52

[Jacqueline Trudeau]

Just to give you all fair warning. The next boat - due out sometime in early 2008 - is going to be a monster before the wind. beating to windward? not so much. is it possible to configure the windsetter for "trade winds"?

[RnSdriver Lane]

Skippers Taku & RnSdriver

Boats ACA 32's

Wind 11 m/s steady

[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:06:03
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): 2: Taku Raymaker - +00:06:25
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:07
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): Taku Raymaker-- lap 0: +00:00:20
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:06:03
[9:26] Start Line (2 Way): Taku Raymaker-- lap 1: +00:06:25

RnS total lap time 05:56

Taku total lap time 06:05

[Oliphant Ming]

Okiphant Ming, Tahiti Ketch and JacqCat


Tahiti Ketch
[21:00] You: +results
[21:00] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[21:00] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Oliphant Ming - +00:09:41
[21:00] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[21:00] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 0: +00:00:15
[21:00] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 1: +00:09:41
Net Time 9:26

JacqCat
[21:38] You: +results
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): 1: RnSdriver Lane - +00:07:31
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): 2: Oliphant Ming - +00:09:25
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 0: +00:00:30
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 0: +00:00:45
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): RnSdriver Lane-- lap 1: +00:07:31
[21:38] Start Line (2 Way): Oliphant Ming-- lap 1: +00:09:25
Net Time 8:40

Winds steady, no variation in speed or direction.

I'm not sure what RnS was sailing... will edit this as soon as I find out.

[Jane Fossett]

BOAT: Trucordia Yawl JAVA (full)
Course: NYC B1
Crew:
Wind: NYC standard, no deviance (spd 11)

[20:45] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[20:45] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Jane Fossett - +00:07:59
[20:45] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[20:45] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 0: +00:00:07
[20:45] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 1: +00:07:59

net 00:07:52

[Jane Fossett]

BOAT: Larinda LiteCourse: NYC B1
Skipper: Jane Fossett
Wind: NYC standard, no deviance (spd 11)
BOAT: ACA32
Skipper: joepie Korobase
Course: NYC B1
Crew:
Wind: NYC standard, no deviance (spd 11)


[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Jane Fossett - +00:08:23 9 (net: 7:33)
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): 2: joepie Korobase - +00:09:23 (net: 5:59)

[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 0: +00:00:50
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 0: +00:03:24
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 1: +00:08:23
[8:06] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 1: +00:09:23

Also:
joepie Korobase
Jacqcat
SLSF Race Wind Setter (predefs) shouts: dir: 5, spd: 11.000000, dir+-: 15, spd+-: 0.000000, rate: 1.000000

[18:51] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[18:51] Start Line (2 Way): 1: joepie Korobase - +00:08:23
[18:51] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[18:51] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 0: +00:00:11
[18:51] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 1: +00:08:23
net: 8:12

[19:04] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[19:04] Start Line (2 Way): 1: joepie Korobase - +00:08:03
[19:04] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[19:04] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 0: +00:00:22
[19:04] Start Line (2 Way): joepie Korobase-- lap 1: +00:08:03
net: 7:41

[Jane Fossett]

Skipper: Fossett
Boat: Larinda Lite
Skipper: Rotaru
Boat: Friendship Sloop
zero variance

[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Jane Fossett - +00:07:41 (net: 7:09)
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): 2: Manul Rotaru - +00:09:04 (net: 8:09)

[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 0: +00:00:32
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Manul Rotaru-- lap 0: +00:00:55
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Jane Fossett-- lap 1: +00:07:41
[14:59] Start Line (2 Way): Manul Rotaru-- lap 1: +00:09:04

[Hpathe Boucher]

Manul Rotaru in a Friendship Sloop
Hpathe Boucher in a Trudeau 32

Start Line (2 Way): Race Results:
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): 1: Manul Rotaru - +00:07:56
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): 2: Hpathe Boucher - +00:11:08
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): Lap Times:
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): Hpathe Boucher-- lap 0: +00:00:08
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): Manul Rotaru-- lap 0: +00:00:16
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): Manul Rotaru-- lap 1: +00:07:56
[15:44] Start Line (2 Way): Hpathe Boucher-- lap 1: +00:11:08

now I know why we dont races 32´s..

[Jane Fossett]

Manul Rotaru in a Friendship Sloop
Hpathe Boucher in a Trudeau 32
...now I know why we dont races 32´s..

Thanks to Hpathe and Manul for adding the Friendship and 32 to the Hotlaps Handicap list!
I added the times to the spreadsheet posted above. If you look at those numbers, Hpathe's single lap time is 72% as fast as the average Trucordia Yawl time. That seems in good agreement with Jacqueline Trudeau's prediction that the Trudeau 32 should be 70% as fast as the Yawl/ Defender.