Sail Rally Discussion Thread

[Jane Fossett]

I've been talking to many sailors about trying a new event, a 'Sail Rally,' that might be fun for both cruisers and racers. I posted the basic idea here:

http://metaversesailing.wordpress.com/2 ... -proposal/

I'm not sure if the idea works, or even if its possible. A lot of issues need to be worked out, and I'd like people's opinions and suggestions about how to do it (or even whether to try!). I'll use this thread to share, discuss and update the ideas.
Thanks!

[Jane Fossett]

A huge problem with the four-continent Rally idea is finding a navigable course. Anu Daviau, MBCC, Chaos Mandelbrot, Zowee Sorbet, SLCG, and MANY others have worked on these charts and know these waters well.
At the moment, there is a big hangup: It was open six months ago, but now the passage in NorthEast Nautilus seems blocked! Does anyone have a route around it?
Chaos and I tried it and failed... That didn't actually bother me, we mess up a lot . Tig Spijkers confirmed it for SLCG though... so now I'm really worried.
Grin. Anyone have a way around this corner?

[Jane Fossett]

This event should be fun, and under 'Rally' rules. Here's an off-the-top-of-my-head start to a possible Rules List:
1. The Routine Rules of Safety in Navigable waters apply; this is NOT a race. I'll ask SLCG to recommend some basic guidelines so we all stay afloat. Starboard, Leeward, Room at an obstruction, wear your PFD all seem sort of appropriate.
2. For each leg of the race, a skipper needs to click the marina's "Rally kiosk" to set the start time. They then sail to the next waypoint and click that kiosk to announce the finish time. Please be in 50m of either kiosk when you click.
3. If you crash, you can start again anywhere within that crash sim with no penalty (except for the time lost restarting). Please send an IM announcing your crash, for the record.
4. If you approach the finish of any leg and are unhappy with your time, you can always stop short and do that leg again. However... once you click the 'finish' kiosk on any particular leg, you've agreed to accept that time as your score for that segment of the race.
(Remember, this is supposed to be fun; if you lose by 30 seconds... Hey... you won! It's a Rally!)
5. You may find sims are down or obstructions block your path. That's true in any exploration of unknown waters. We'll need a rule to let boats jump one sim ahead and pay a penalty for that convenience. I don't know the right penalty; I'm open to suggestions.
6. For good housekeeping, you should only sail one kind of boat for the entire Rally. You can sail solo, or as a team. If you have a team, let the Rally organizers know all the sailors names, so they get credit.
7. We may provide sailing huds or beacons to track the boats, so we can use an external map; more on that later.

What other rules are needed? Is that too much or too little? The Rally will have staff to help, but.... nope, no 'judges.' (It's a RALLY )

[Naeve Rossini]

8. You agree to have fun and to wear knot-free panties... including the men.

[Nomad Zamani]

Men don't wear 'panties'.

[Jane Fossett]

8. You agree to have fun and to wear knot-free panties... including the men.

Men don't wear 'panties'.

Grin... Naeve and I think a lot alike...
My original "Rule 8" was:
"Any unresolved protests would be remanded to an immediate Appeals Hearing.
Each party to the protest would be allowed sixty seconds to tell MarkTwain White a joke.
Admiral White would then adjudicate the dispute based on a subjective assessment of the weight of the evidentiary humor."

[Axle Wharton]

OK -
I'll wear tights - geesh
thinks of the movie RL "men in tights"
prob won't sail well, be laughing my rear off to much
I'll handle individual boat scores
HOWEVER
whatever vessel you run the first leg in your left leg has to finish with it - NO CHANGING TIGHTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RALLY

did I just say that aloud
Axle

[Lance Corrimal]

A huge problem with the four-continent Rally idea is finding a navigable course. Anu Daviau, MBCC, Chaos Mandelbrot, Zowee Sorbet, SLCG, and MANY others have worked on these charts and know these waters well.
At the moment, there is a big hangup: It was open six months ago, but now the passage in NorthEast Nautilus seems blocked! Does anyone have a route around it?
Chaos and I tried it and failed... That didn't actually bother me, we mess up a lot . Tig Spijkers confirmed it for SLCG though... so now I'm really worried.
Grin. Anyone have a way around this corner?

I remember a LDPW blog post that said that the LDPW was planning to put up more protected water sims around continents.

so... why not simply ask them to start that project at that corner?
maybe with the question coming from someone who's in the blake sea committee, and directed at whatshisname linden who seems to be the LL representative for water/sailing/blake sea stuff?


Seriously, can't hurt to try that, what worse can they do than simply say "sorry but no"?

[MarkTwain White]

A huge problem with the four-continent Rally idea is finding a navigable course. Anu Daviau, MBCC, Chaos Mandelbrot, Zowee Sorbet, SLCG, and MANY others have worked on these charts and know these waters well.
At the moment, there is a big hangup: It was open six months ago, but now the passage in NorthEast Nautilus seems blocked! Does anyone have a route around it?
Chaos and I tried it and failed... That didn't actually bother me, we mess up a lot . Tig Spijkers confirmed it for SLCG though... so now I'm really worried.
Grin. Anyone have a way around this corner?

I remember a LDPW blog post that said that the LDPW was planning to put up more protected water sims around continents.

so... why not simply ask them to start that project at that corner?
maybe with the question coming from someone who's in the blake sea committee, and directed at whatshisname linden who seems to be the LL representative for water/sailing/blake sea stuff?


Seriously, can't hurt to try that, what worse can they do than simply say "sorry but no"?

Good idea, I have a meeting with Blondin Linden tomorrow. I will bring this up with him.

[Jane Fossett]

A huge problem with the four-continent Rally idea is finding a navigable course. Anu Daviau, MBCC, Chaos Mandelbrot, Zowee Sorbet, SLCG, and MANY others have worked on these charts and know these waters well.
At the moment, there is a big hangup: It was open six months ago, but now the passage in NorthEast Nautilus seems blocked! Does anyone have a route around it?
Chaos and I tried it and failed... That didn't actually bother me, we mess up a lot . Tig Spijkers confirmed it for SLCG though... so now I'm really worried.
Grin. Anyone have a way around this corner?

I remember a LDPW blog post that said that the LDPW was planning to put up more protected water sims around continents.
so... why not simply ask them to start that project at that corner?
maybe with the question coming from someone who's in the blake sea committee, and directed at whatshisname linden who seems to be the LL representative for water/sailing/blake sea stuff?
Seriously, can't hurt to try that, what worse can they do than simply say "sorry but no"?

Good idea, I have a meeting with Blondin Linden tomorrow. I will bring this up with him.

Thank you! As far as I can tell, Gaeta and Corsica are navigable. The problem is Northcentral and Northeast Nautilus.
I'll document the specifics today.

[Elbag Gable]

The biggest problem in my experience for what it's worth is that Linden themselves exacerbate the blocking of waterways in SL by insisting on promoting and supporting the dictum that if you buy the land then you can do what you like with it.
I used to pootle around places that are no longer accessible and things have got worse during 2009.
Can Lindens not be convinced that their crazy wishy washy liberal tendancies should be curbed and that rules for the maintenance of access, use and terraforming of designated sea land be established and policed.... there are Groups that do this on land, they regularly report transgressions in land use to Linden who act appropriately.. for example deliberate out of context development is viewed as griefing so why cannot this also be the case for the blocking of waterways and access coorridors....? Good grief Linden themselves have protected corridors all over mainland so why should the sea be any different.

[Tig Spijkers]

I can't tell you 100% that there is no clear passage from the central Nautilus mainland to the northern Continent of Corsica.
Resident owned land is subject to fast changes.
I can say though that there isn't sufficient Linden Protected Land on the water for a clear passage.
The problem lies in how Linden tries to ensure clear passages and sometimes sadly neglects to do so.

[Jane Fossett]

Six months ago it was possible to sail from Gaeta to USS.
Unfortunately, there are lots of builds blocking the water now, and a bumper-crop of ban lines.
The continental perimeter of North East Nautilus is not sailable.
The four most problematic sims are shown in the picture below.
They make it impossible to continuously sail the continental shoreline

[MarkTwain White]

One of the topics of the meeting Nber and I had with Blondin Linden this AM was this bottleneck issue of this thread.

We pointed out the blockage in the NorthEast Nautilus area as mentioned in this topic.

Of course the predictable answer was taht LL is not in favor of meddling in private holdings, i.e. eminent domain issues.

I suggested a different approach. What if LDPW keep a list of known bottlenecked sims which would be flagged if land in those sims were put up for sale. What if LDPW began a buy back program of land in target sims which could be converted into Governor Linden land towards the view of creating clear passage routes in the target sims. It might take awhile, but it's at least worth examining. Blondin is going to be floating that around the LL office and see if there is any traction.

He asked if there was a list of known bottle necks. I told him I forwarded such a list to him many months ago. I dont recall where that info was published on this forum, or whatever other notecard sources I passed along. While I look for this info, can anyone here help us out by providing links to such info, or publishing such as a list here?

[Liv Leigh]

I find it kind of typical how people who have 'oceanfront housing' or whatever it is called in the land market always choose to build on the water.
I find it kind of typical the land is mostly left empty then.
I find it kind of disturbing, not to say unprofessional, that Linden Labs, after 'designing' their coast line to a nice shape, has no means for and puts no effort in building restrictions to protect it's integrity. Why bother with a coastline in the first place then?
Maybe this is how people would behave in RL, if building on water would be as cheap as it were in SL. I am really worried for the future of our RL coast lines then.

I am going to devote another thread to this later.. something about the 'horror coasts of SL', or how our private paradises create a collective hell